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    1. dude caroline seriously looks like an ex-girlfriend. i think thats a fake name, real name Marin, I need CIA to check that for me.

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    2. I agree with this image. Though I would prefer Caroline.

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    3. Women’s ideal = BS. I would never want to be that thin.. Hubby would break me. Is it just me or is the 16 hotter then the other two? Curves = win

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    4. Caroline is the hottest. There’s nothing better than a nice natural pair of tities to squish up during maritals.

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    5. Yeah, Caroline ain’t so bad, although I can’t see men’s ideal well enough to decide: she is backwards and doesn’t have a very nice bum.

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    6. Pfft, Tillie for the win. You lads can pork the others.

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    7. I’d take all three.

      Not, “Any of them.”

      ALL THREE.

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    8. Caroline & Anna – EEEWWWW!!

      I’m studying in Taiwan right now in a school that used to be females only, so now its like 80% females.

      And 90% of them are a size 8.

      No fat chicks!

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    9. No fat chicks.. Tillie all the way! (with Annas tits…)

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    10. has anyone seen my harpoon?

      GTFO FAT BITCHES

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    11. I’d bang all three.

      Size 12 and 16 as shown above are not fat. What makes a size 12 or 16 fat is when they are short like 5’4″ and under.

      Aint nothing wrong with some curves, unless you like your women to look like little boys.

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    12. Since when is size 16 average for this country? Been to a Wal-mart lately? Or a beach? Average size of women in America has to be size 22 or more.

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    13. I think this is from a UK lads mag or dross gloss

      Anyway Caroline is easily the hottest. Om nom nom curves

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    14. It really depends on how tall you are. If you are five feet tall and size 8….that’s quite a bit of curves…
      and I think Caroline looks better than Anna, but it may just be perspectives. Tillie is still hotter than either of the other two.

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    15. if caroline ate some sammiches, i’d hid it.

      i think anyone under size 18 is far too small. but i really dig her very tiny pot belly.

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    16. @Stolid
      Blow it out your ass. The other two are great. None of them are “fat chicks”, and it’s bullshit like yours that causes so many self image problems in young girls. Hell, they’re all great. Caroline wins, though, IMO.
      @Nubbin00
      Wal-Mart hardly represents the average American. Unless you’re only counting the trailer trash.

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    17. None of them looks very hot to me, be it the face or body physique. Hell, the two bookends are fatter than I am. -_-

      I’d say there are quite a few other pics on MCS that would more accurately define “Men’s Ideal”.

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    18. WHY ARE THERE FAT WOMEN ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN!?!?!?

      All three are big. The middle one is passable but should still hit a gym. The other two need to put their parkas back on and waddle the fuck away.

      This young women image depiction shit was a pretty gay ass fucking excuse pissy little drama queens used to explain away the drug problems they were hiding by scapegoating bad eating habits. Now its just been used up like a fat chicks asshole at a frat party.

      Size 6 or no sex. It’s the law.

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    19. You people are calling two of these beautiful women fat?You guys don’t know what fat is.Nothing wrong with having a little bit to hold onto. Plus it beats having a chick that throws up every time she eats.

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    20. Yeesh, I’ve been going through the “ideals” over the years.

      In After pathetic justifying of eating habits that lead to heart disease and other medical conditions that never existed before in such epidemic proportions in the United States.

      Yeah, yeah… “It’s genetics”

      I’m sure it’s just a HUGE COINCIDENCE that all the “fat genes” came to the United States, and that’s why over 33% of our population is considered obese. HUGE COINCIDENCE OF GENETICS.

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    21. I remember seeing this months ago!

      I saved the pic because it confirms what I’ve always said: Women constantly overshoot and overthink “Men’s expectations”. They have this constantly over-what’s-reasonable goal they’re trying to reach, and if you look at the pic, even the biggest one is still hot. So, there’s no need to play the blame-game, it IS genetics, but you’re NOT ugly by default! what is wrong with people, they are attractive yet twisted to believe they are not.

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    22. These three are not fat.

      Fat people should stop fucking eating the damn pies.

      That is all.

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    23. These must be European sizes because I’m a size 8 and that bitch is way skinnier than me. Either that or the photo editor over-airbrushed the fat rolls, thereby negating the ad’s objective of promoting a healthy body image.

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    24. heh…we had two ladies come in from our Celle, Germany facility today…my one thought was that they needed a few double whoppers with cheese and a few slices of cheese-cake.

      Caroline is definitely the hottest of the three IMO.

      Anna has a look of “Where did I put the butcher knife and the other evidence”

      And Tillie…well…the haircut and the lack of a shadow just doesn’t do anything for me…

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    25. It’s definitely from a UK mag.

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    26. Setting aside their visual appearance, The … *ahem*… “Bigger” girls are not a healthy weight. Working entirely on our knowledge of human anatomy and the peak efficiency of the human form, only the girl in the middle could pass off as healthy.
      They may have cute features, but I could never be truly attracted to a woman that didn’t lead a healthy lifestyle.
      ….
      not to mention,… they are visually repulsive.
      You’d think in a world where the majority of the population prefers a slim figure, people might put a bit more effort into looking healthy.

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    27. I still wonder how tall they are…size 8 would be pretty large on my frame I am thinking…and these women really don’t look large.

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    28. Size 16 is NOT unhealthy. Nor is 14. It’s actually healthier between 6 – 16 to be above that or below that. It depends on height and bone structure, and muscle structure. I’ve seen some really flabby 8’s, and that’s not healthy, yet, I’ve seen girls, who are 16’s and quite toned. None of these gals have ‘flab’ just curves. It’s when you get over an 18, where it gets unhealthy. Go ask a doctor, seriously, if you’re physically fit ( you know, can run, bike, swim, do sports, etc, and consistently and have a good amount of stamina ) then no doctor is going to tell you that you’re unhealthy at a size 16.

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    29. It all depends on the woman’s frame as to what looks skinny or fat. With my hips, If I get to a size 8 I look like a anorexic who would choke on a grain of rice. Size 12 and I’m happy with myself, and can get all the way up to size 16 without being fat. Even at a size 16 no one would say that I look fat, or unhealthy, where as at a size 8 I was disgustingly thin, and very sickly looking. You can be a larger size, and live a healthy life style. And for you guys who say, I wouldn’t do anything over a size 6, I call Bullshit, a little alcohol, and a guy will do anything. Plus I would hate to see what you guys look like, its probably a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

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    30. @Awfulintentions: Go online, pick a medical or health related website. Find the weight calculator tool. Tell me for a second that the two larger women are even close to the ideal weight for their age and height. All you can say about bigger women, is that they might be “Healthy for their SIZE.” That doesn’t mean they are healthy.
      When your body begins to accumulate ‘fat’ layers, that means you are ingesting food and chemicals that your body cannot successfully break down.
      I think your ‘doctor’ might be trying to spare your feelings perhaps.

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    31. @rguenther2b: You are correct in that “Ideal” weight ties closely with age and height. Any “weight” calculator will take that into account. The fact remains, that body ‘fat’ is a byproduct of an unhealthy lifestyle. I would never claim this is a wrong choice, as it’s important to be happy. Some people are happy eating whatever they want, and relaxing more often. I couldn’t be happy that way, and I would expect the same from any girl I would pursue.

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    32. Srsly… Where are they getting their stats from? Caroline is NOT the national average… Based on this pic, the national average has to be like… 32… or something…

      Personally, I think Caroline is the best looking of the three… and somebody, please give little Tillie a cookie. Or something. For the love of Eve…

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    33. That post of Anna is very unflattering. You get no sense of how she’s actually built.

      I think all three of these women are beautiful. It’s clear that they chose models who fit in their skin and on their bones well. However, I’m not sure the girl in the middle is really a size 8. She looks more like a 4 or 6.

      National average is supposed to be around 14-16. I live in CA and I’m going to guess that CA helps bring the average down. The middle/southern states average is huge. Even Austin, where the girls aren’t quite as big, are still noticeably bigger than here (not saying there aren’t fat people here, they just aren’t the norm… so they get stared at and snickered at).

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    34. @MrDooves

      The only friend I mine that the BMI calculator actually works accurately for is a small boned asian girl. At 16% fat (that’s very low for a female btw), the BMI calculator said that I was fat.

      Body types vary quite a bit… bone density, muscle mass, etc. Those tests that ask age, height and weight simply do not do the job accurately. I opt to go to the gym and have them do the tests for me where they take a whole slew of things into consideration.

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    35. I would just like to ad that UK women are quite sexy. I WANT!

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    36. @outoffocus: Of course you don’t just use the first thing you see online, but even the good ones shouldn’t need more than Weight, Height, Age and Gender. The good engines understand ‘subtle’ differences and account for that by giving a zone of healthy weight. However, those subtle things like Bone density and muscle mass only make for a 20-30 lb. variance. 3 reasons you don’t fit in that spectrum. 1: You are a body builder. 2. You are a mutant of some sort. 3. you are overweight.
      Which are you?

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    37. FAT BITCHES BE FAT!

      @thequietguy
      Way to make the most evil and hilariously disgusting post and have it slip right past everyone you sick fucker.

      FAT BITCHES like to stick up for one another. YOU STILL FAT, BITCHES. Size 6 for sex and put down the pie.

      I have 3% body fat, a 40 inch chest and a 28 inch waist. If your waist is bigger than mine I will not show you my balls.

      Fuck yo national average. If you only aspire to be average then just kill yourself now.

      FAT BITCHES make me sick. They burn my eyes and soften my dick.
      If I have only one wish today
      It is that FAT BITCHES will go away

      FAT BITCHES

      Oh good Christ its time for more fucking ass fucking FAGGOT THEATER!
      ahem…you guys seriously you don’t even know. BBW means big beatiful womean ya’ll. Roubeneqsue? Ever heard of it? That was back when men appreciated women with curves. And lived till 30 and thought the earth was flat. And now its like these magazines with their unrealistic portrayals of women. Like all those chicks have eating disorders or like exercise or something. People are naturally beefy. If you don’t do anyting but eat ya’ll you’ll be natural and beautiful. Not all fake like those magazine bitches. the fashion industry needs to be accountable for itself cause young girls are developing like totally eating disorders and according to Tyra they’re all dying. AND getting aids in their asses and faces. SO ya ya’ll…if you don’t like jelly rolls, a fat ass, a vaginer you could park your car in and then have a hard time finding it cause you didn’t write down what section of the vaginer you left it in, and huge farts then you just don’t get women ya’ll. Big. Ball suckin bitches. mm hmm you know you love it

      tl dr FAT BITCHES!

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    38. Caroline is the hottest by far, and if you think that that’s an unhealthy weight you are fucking insane.

      BMIs are a sales technique meant to capitalize of the wealthy ‘fuck women’s minds about their weight/make women look like boys to appeal to closeted homosexual american men’ industry and have no medical value. Just another product of the privatized health/pharmaceutical witch doctoring coming out of the rancid pit that is the US and affecting the world with its brain killing fumes.

      Tillie looks like she’s going to die. Either that or she’s a tranny, because that is not a natural woman-body.

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    39. @MrDooves

      Watch less TV.

      See what Caio said.

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    40. lol Caio sounds more faggot than faggot theater and some fat chick seconded him. That’s hilarious.

      You sir must have fucked some big fat beaverginas.

      I like fit women because fat chicks stink. Literally.

      Fit = healthy and healthy = not fat. Obesity is the leading cause of any number of fucking diseases. So you can bullshit all you want. Science has spoken and fat chicks are wrong.

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    41. Anna’s angle makes her look fatter than Caroline. So I have to go with the latter for now.

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    42. @Caio: I am a Yoga Instructor. I have a degree in Kinesiology and for the last 15 years, with only minimal effort, I have maintained my ideal BMI.
      BMI is a mathematical equation, and easily the most accurate way to determine healthy and ideal body weight. You would slander a math formula just because corporations have used the term to sell product?

      I can’t wait for the raptor apocalypse, when you and all the other chubbies find out just what “healthy” is supposed to mean. The day we try to justify being overweight is the day evolution comes to a screeching fucking halt. If you just like chubby girls, then say so. But don’t try to argue common sense and medical science. You should be ashamed.

      @outofocus: I don’t watch television. Caio is just as biased as you are. Medical science has proven through hundreds of years of research, that the human body has an ideal weight to reach its peak efficiency.(give or take 20 lbs or so.) If you find yourself on the opposing side of this argument, you should shut your flapping mouth, and put the same effort into your lifestyle choices. Put down the fucking fork, and go for a jog. Mind you, the internet is obviously the worst place to make this statement. You are all fucking disgraceful.

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    43. Yes this picture is from a UK magazine, i remember reading it a few weeks ago.

      And the woman in the middle is a size 8.
      UK 8 = US 6
      UK 12 = US 10
      UK 16 = US 14 (shes pretty slim by american standards)

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    44. To you guys these monsters known as Caroline and Anna are normal. Thats just because 1. YOU are a fat and ugly or 2. Your COUNTRY is fat and ugly.

      Try visiting asia or some country where the norm for girls is HOTNESS. Instead of FAAAAAAAAT.

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    45. Well, to each his own…but don’t make bullshit excuses for being obese or overweight. This so-called “BBW Movement” is full of fallacies that encourage laziness, overeating, and unhealthiness. And after being here in Japan for 2 years, I can truly say that it is a RARITY to see an obese/overweight Japanese woman.

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    46. @Mr Dooves
      Whereas because you are yoga instructor with a degree in Kinesiology who has, with minimal effort, been able to maintain your ideal BMI, the formula must be good for everyone other than mutants and bodybuilders?

      Medical “Science” is not. Bias and indoctrination is not limited to TV watching my friend…

      When the Raptor apocalypse comes, you can run if you feel like it. I’ll be shooting it out, and believe you me, they won’t be winnng… 😛

      BTW I like chubby girls…

      ian356094 on September 8th, 2008 8:26 pm
      To you guys these monsters known as Caroline and Anna are normal. Thats just because 1. YOU are a fat and ugly or 2. Your COUNTRY is fat and ugly.

      I’ll take “both of the above” for 9000… BTW, our monsters will be breaking your hotnesses in half with one hand and feeding them to the raptors with the other. I hope you have a lot of them…
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      Oooh that was fun!!!

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    47. More fun than a bucket of cheeseburgers and spaghetti?

      Fat people are fat because they’re lazy and stupid and usually poor.

      The only reason any guy in here champions fat chicks is because its all his stupid fuckin ass can get. Bang a hot girl and you’ll understand why fat chicks belong in roles of servitude and silence. They’re totally useless. Well maybe as a counterweight to balance out an equally heavt pile of something but other than that they should either lose weight or go die in a corner.

      Now that was fun. Though my earlier faggot theater was fun too.

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    48. dude all three of them look like ugly bitches. i don’t care who’s fat and who’s skinny. they are ugly.

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    49. @ian356094

      So you must be sitting there considering you’re beautiful. Or that your country is full of anorexic henchwomen of the Scarecrow.

      Either way is big fail, so no offense taken.

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    50. mAgnUS BUTTfoorson on September 8th, 2008 10:00 pm
      More fun than a bucket of cheeseburgers and spaghetti?

      Yeah, your earlier faggottry was fun too, but sadly, not as fun as cheeseburgers and Spaghetti… Ok, maybe more fun than spaghetti…

      Fat people are fat because they’re lazy and stupid and usually poor.

      Really? What, wait, you mean you’ve never seen rich fat people before? Yeah, right. And Ive seen Nuclear physicists who really needed to lay off the burgers too… No correlation there bud…

      Actually what I find interesting is how it sometimes it doesn’t even matter. Like I knew this guy once, good shape, worked out and everything.

      BUT wouldn’t look at a girl unless she was like 250lbs. I kind you not. I like a girl with a little sumthin, sumthin’, but but dang… He was outta control…

      He would talk to all kinds of HAWT girls him out all day long, but only hooked up with the… *ahem* “Big boned” variety. And he wasn’t the only guy I knew who did that either…

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve stopped trying to figure it out…

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    51. Yoga AND Kinesiology? No shit? Seriously? For reals? Legit? You shit me not?

      I’m 6’4 and 165 lbs. I have travelled the world loving beautiful women and there’s no way you could tell me that Tellie is healthy: Women that skinny, in my experience, tend to be depressive and have no natural energy. They also worry about nothing but weight and clothing and their vacant, obnoxious “personalities” makes them painful to be around and try to converse with.

      Maybe your KINESIOLOGY degree tells you that Caroline there has a risk of diabeetus at the age of 80, but god damnit I’m willing to bet she has a soul and a personality at the very least.

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    52. 6’4″ and 165?

      And you like big women?

      I would consult a physician before proceeding. The physics. They do not favour you.

      btw: Caroline would be at risk of the beetus at around 45 – 50. Type 1 and she most likely wouldn’t see 80.

      But who cares because she’s fat. haHA

      @Phyre
      I never said rich people can’t be fat but calling someone lazy and poor is insulting and I don’t like fatties so here we are.

      If your friend liked big women I’d check his basement for a big hole and a closet for some odd looking outfits. PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET!

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    53. It would be Type 2 diabetes that one would get at 45-50. I have type 1 (since birth) and wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

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    54. @caio & Phyfe: once again you all manage to elude the point.
      All my posts were used to stress the fact that when a woman is medically overweight, it means she obviously leads an inactive, unhealthy lifestyle. aside from their bulbous revolting appearance, this also means they are lazy, and have no will power or discipline. You can advocate chubby chasing all you like, but you can’t possibly find a logical way to fight my reasoning. The two larger women are undoubtedly far past the ideal weight recommended by their physician.

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    55. @AUS BUTT
      You specifically said fat people are usually poor. No, they aren’t. I’ve seen too many annoying rich fat bastiges to buy that line of reasoning for a second.

      And that friend of mine… No basement, but he did have a room he always had locked… Hmmmm….

      @Mr Dooves.
      Besides the fact that your use of the word “elude” is questionable, you are making a whole lot of broad, sweeping and grossly inaccurate assumptions based on your personal view of life (inactive unhealthy lifestyle=fat=no will power/discipline) that are unbecoming of a person with a Kinesiology, or any degree, for that matter…

      BMI is, at best, a general guide. Yes, it’s a good rule for most but you would be suprised at how little it takes to make it worthless. Genetics, family history, and other individually specific factors, in addition to diet, lifestyle, etc, plays a large role in determining what is healthy vs. unhealthy.

      So to say “They are undoubtedly far past the ideal minimum weight recommended by their physician” without actually even knowing anything about them, much less even their actual *weight* is a statement of sheer ignorance.

      I’ve discussed this with actual doctors, so please don’t pull the “medical science” line out again, they are the ones who explained that medical “science” isn’t as scientific as everyone makes it out to be… I’m betting they didn’t teach you that in Kinesiology 101 or else you wouldn’t be making that argument.

      I agree that this makes no difference for seriously overweight people, but for those in the “overweight/obese” margins, it is not an insignificant consideration. If that is not a sufficiently logically presented argument vis a vis the flaws in your reasoning, then you are just being stubborn.

      Which you might just be. One thing I’ve noticed is that there is frequently some form of visceral emotional reaction mixed in with your arguments. (eg. “bulbous revolting”??) Hey, I’m not a big fan of land locked whales masquerading as humans either, but seriously, why does it bother you so much?

      Ever consider that allowing your arguments to be affected by your emotions to such a degree may be skewing your objectivity? Sometimes I can’t help but think you are directly channeling the subconscious biases and assumptions of the unwashed masses…

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    56. Ya usually. And they usually are. Some are not. Same as some black people aren’t criminals but that doesn’t excuse the other 99%. <<–racism! Oh and Caio I’ll take a Grande Mulatto with cinnamon today please.

      The one on the right is so fat its really nauseating. She needs to get her big fat ass into a gym 5 days a week.

      Nobody ever got fat by working hard. That’s all I’m sayin.

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    57. @Phyre: In case you ever come back to this thread… The only thing about this debate that gets me emotionally involved is that simple fact that so many people would blindly argue that being overweight is not only okay, but can also be attractive.
      It sickens me. Not just the physical appearance of anyone being overweight, but their undoubtedly inactive lifestyle. I’m in no way religious, but Sloth and Gluttony have been frowned upon since the beginning of history for a very good reason.
      Yes, there may be a portion of the overweight population that can’t be blamed for their condition, due to unrelated health reasons, etc. There are MILLIONS that don’t benefit from the luxury of a medical excuse.
      Your response was wordy, and long winded, and you really managed to say nothing at all. It just adds insult to the embarrassing nature of your standpoint. I don’t have anything against larger people, I have a few as friends. What this thread was about, was finding fat people attractive.
      Your attitude, and others like you, are attempting to justify being overweight. There is NO justification for being overweight. I will never condone the lifestyle required to become overweight. Anyone that says differently is either overweight themselves, or just mentally softened by the degradation of society in general. Obesity is a SERIOUS fricking problem in North America. More now than ever. You aren’t helping these people. And whatever they say, Fat people don’t WANT To be fat. So stop helping them justify a lazy and inactive existence.

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    58. Humans as a species, have grown soft. ‘Survival of the fittest’ was the defining feature of our evolution, and for the past 50 years, we’ve been pissing on what made us humans to begin with.
      The only thing that could pull us out of this sickening funk, would be the emergence of a natural predator. Something to get us running, make us strong and spry. Raptor Apocalypse! The overweight, the slow, the stupid. Would all eventually be consumed. Mental illness, depression, would all be a thing of the past, because we wouldn’t be stuck in our heads, over thinking everything. We would get tough, or die. and We would all be happy just to be alive, day by day.

      When you’re so far gone that only a global cataclysm could save us… That’s embarrassing.

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    59. Humans were never the fittest, just the greediest and most immoralistic of the bunch, they even refuse to die with all them treatments and medicines. If sick people don’t have the resources to solve the problems themselves, they need to die.

      Same with fat people that can’t solve it on their own. You don’t throw 300 pounds of fat into your body overnight. But if they’re comfortable about it, who gives a fuck? You think that having an “active” lifestyle means being skiny?

      One can be skinny and have an inactive lifestyle, I’m taking myself as an example here. I don’t exercise, I don’t go on nutritional crap, I’m not fat. I love being inactive simply because it’s shit that it doesn’t appeal to me, I can spend 10 hours on Photoshop doing something I enjoy, I’m not gonna spend several hours a day sweating just to appeal to people that don’t like sloths.

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    60. @Mr Dooves
      What’s with the double standards? You’re accusing me of being long winded and saying nothing, and you’ve made two posts that are together easily just as long as mine, but haven’t actually offered any sound counter arguments. In either one.

      Dreths post proves my point. Do you really believe that survival of the fittest required maintaining a healthy BMI? LOL… No. You think toughness requires physical fitness? Geez…

      I’ve personally known fat bastards who are tougher somomabiches than your BMI toeing, appearance obsessed fitness pansies will ever be. You talk about toughness like it’s somehow directly related peoples weight. Or inversely related to the excess thereof.

      From your past posts, I know you have lived a rather nice life, so I can understand where that argument comes from. Let me assure you, it’s false. At least in my experience.

      I think, the truth is that people like you want to believe all of these falsehoods because it makes it easer to lump people into categories that are easier to denigrate. IE, those who offend your aesthetic sensibilites.

      But your arguments don’t hold much water under scrutiny. Your health arguments are partially true, but seriously flawed as you have applied them. Survival of the fittest? That is just your ignorance talking. Toughness Well I won’t even go there.

      In fact, from where I’m sitting, it sounds like you are simply attacking fat people because you don’t like the way they look. Which is your perogative, but please don’t justify your hatred with false pretenses. It makes you no better than the folks whom you despise for blaming genetics for their being overweight.

      Another long winded post? Yes. It’s a little thing I call “communicating clearly”. 😛 OK, so I have difficulties arguing points succinctly. I apologize. But your post aren’t exactly concise either, so you shouldn’t be complaining about mine.

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    61. @Dreth: I never said anything about being “Skinny”
      My point is that the human body has an “IDEAL” weight. That includes not being ‘under’weight as well. Every human being has an ideal weight that will produce the peak efficiency. Consult your physician for details. (of course, if you’re completely happy, not only with yourself, but with the life you lead, and with the way people see you, then more power to you, though it is proven that the chemicals released during physical activity affect peoples moods positively.)

      @Phyre: I haven’t said anything about “toughness”. You bring up toughness 2 or 3 times… and I never mentioned it once. You are both highly skilled at missing the point, and creating new ones from thin air. Brava! And how can I offer ‘counter arguments’ when you have yet to provide an argument to counter.

      At our best, we’re not just tough, but fast, responsive. Reflexes and muscles attuned together to be the most well rounded and efficient. Certainly there are some fat guys that could beat me up, but only if i stand there and let them. What does that have to do with “Health”.

      You really seem to have taken offense to our discourse. When discussing my posts, you use words like ‘hate’, ‘denigrate’, ‘attack’. I’ve done nothing of the sort. My intention throughout, is bridging the connection between physical appearance, and health/lifestyle. Something you’ve managed to avoid by mud slinging.

      You mention falsehoods?
      What ‘Falsehoods’ are you charging me with? That being overweight isn’t healthy? What magical part of the world do you live, where people are exempt from the biology and physics of the universe?

      It is a Simple Proven Medical Fact, that humans outside of their ideal weight, *Save for that of mutants or body builders* are not operating at their peak physical condition, and therefore are less fit to take on the different challenges the world has for us. Be they physical or biological.
      Less likely to fight certain viruses or diseases. Less likely to survive physical trauma, etc.
      Less likely to perform in a situation requiring strength, endurance, reflexes. You can’t possibly argue with this. I didn’t make it up.
      Ask your fricken doctor.

      So, for me to simply say: ‘when someone makes the conscious decision to allow themselves to become overweight. When they decide it isn’t worth their trouble/time to improve their standard of living, and make healthy choices, that it directly effects their physical appearance. Physical size and appearance are merely a sad side effect of the choices we make day by day.
      (this does not include the small percentage of people that are medically/physically/mentally unable to change their state of being)

      Also, please note, my survival of the fittest post was not part of this debate. More of a rant that’s only partially related to this post.

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    62. You seem like an intelligent person.
      Its a shame to see you attempt application of that
      intelligence towards such a ‘weighted’ argument.
      ha…
      One question Phyre, as I have yet to see it in your posts:
      Why are you attempting to condone unhealthy living?
      Is there some greater purpose that eludes me?

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    63. Oh, and Dreth. “Survival of the Fittest” means the fittest ‘Within’ the human race, Not compared to other species.

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    64. So let’s just go back to basics, no big paragraphs.

      Some people care about being fat, some don’t.

      I don’t like “ideal” bodies on girls because it leads to being a bit too much self-conscious about their bodies and what others will think of them, and I’ve had my share of those.

      To me having a few extra pounds means being a bit more open-minded in that sense.

      As for health, well, we have our own goals in life, I for one don’t want to reach an age when I have to be assisted just to poop. Hopefully I’ll die sooner than that, and if that means eating buffalo wings as many times as I can, so be it!

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    65. Dreth, you realize you’ll never avoid those years right? If you live an unhealthy lifestyle, they’ll just come quicker, and last longer….

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    66. Though when it comes to personality, all sizes come in all types. You can find fit women that are completely centered and happy, and you can find fat women who are totally unhappy and self conscious.
      You just haven’t been hunting in the right places.
      The post was designed to determine which woman you find more physically attractive, NOT who you think will be less of a bitch. All women are nuts.

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    67. Ok, here’s my attempt at brevity:

      people blindly argue that being overweight is not only okay

      I’m not arguing that being overweight is ok. My objection is to people making blanket statements about a person, based on demographics, without the benefit of knowing anything about that individual.

      That’s usually called prejudice. Substitute “black people”, for “weight”, and my objections should appear much clearer.

      So far as toughness:

      We would get tough, or die.

      Your words.

      but can also be attractive.

      Some people DO find overweight (even morbidly) people attractive. Fact.

      you use words like ‘hate’, ‘denigrate’, ‘attack’. I’ve done nothing of the sort.

      I present exhibit “A”:

      bulbous revolting

      This statement is intended to be neutral? LOL! I’d go back and blockquote all the times you stated fat people are lazy, undisciplined, etc., but I’m trying to be brief…

      But here’s an obvious assumption on your part:

      undoubtedly inactive lifestyle.
      And there lies falsehood. Two people can exert the same daily energy, and eat the same, and one could still be overweight and the other at ideal.

      True, there may be millions for whom this does not apply. However the mistake people make is to take the generalization, and apply it to an individual. In that folly lies prejudice, and making people think about that was my greater purpose…

      Dammit, I’m sorry, I tried, but how am I supposed to respond to a big paragraph without a big paragraph? I suck at conciseness…

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    68. And I even screwed up the last blockquote. Ok, Phyreblade phail. -10 innarwebs.

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    69. So your only point: is that a small percentage of people are exempt from judgement on this matter do to special circumstances. That’s fine. There are exceptions to every rule, and I’ve indicated this in many posts.

      You aren’t arguing the issue… you are arguing the exceptions. You avoid the issue. Get serious man. Stop attempting to find loopholes. You make a mockery of this whole process. We’re trying to have a debate of ideals, and you’re pussyfooting. The only reason for this, is that you couldn’t possibly formulate a direct and honest reproach for my statements. I call troll.

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    70. Not to mention, my posts are devoid of ‘absolutes’.
      My terminology leaves room for exceptions. I’m not discussing the small amount of the populace that are exempt from these judgments.
      Should someone actually produce a reasonable excuse for being over/underweight, that has nothing to do with their lifestyle choices? Then this doesn’t apply, but it ain’t that common dude. How many excuses actually hold water?

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    71. I’m not attempting to hold judgment over people that aren’t their ideal weight. I’m simply stating, that the majority are that way, because of poor lifestyle choices. This to me, is unattractive.
      Because its the ‘majority’, I wouldn’t likely consider being with or pursuing a larger girl. That’s all I wanted to get across.

      I do appreciate your point of view, and as a Devils advocate, you make good arguments. But the bulk of my statements, save the few mistakes you pointed out, are irreproachable.

      For those of you that don’t mind the big girls, or what their size connotes about their lifestyle,(generally) then have fun!

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    72. C’mon, if buffalo wings fuck me up faster I’ll end up having a sexy nurse wiping my ass OR I’ll just kill myself. It’s not like we’re forced to live as shitty old men, there’s always a way out.

      See I’ve already written down that in the event of a coma or to need some desperate expensive treatment in order to stay alive, to not even bother.

      As I pointed out before, humans are too greedy even with life.

      This, kind of, answers a previous question at Phyre, about “why” wanting to condone an unhealthy life. Well, why condone a healthy yet restricted one that will most likely turn into unhappiness? I rather have an unhealthy one, doing what I want without worrying about consequences in the long run than to having a rigid set of rules to follow just to live longer.

      Haven’t we learned anything from Highlander? Staying alive a long time sucks.

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    73. I see your point, “be here now” and all. But alot of people feel happy living a healthy lifestyle.
      When I eat shitty foods, or go weeks without being active or hitting the gym, I feel like trash.
      When I drink coffee all day instead of water.
      When I don’t stretch before playing sports.
      Every decision has an impact, and not just long term. Especially as we start to get older, When I hit 25, i could tangibly sense my body degrading.
      The only way to battle that, is to make healthy choices. You may not be there yet, but eventually your youth and metabolism will slow. Enjoy life now I guess, but be prepared to step up your game when it starts to effect your day to day life.

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    74. Mr Dooves,

      Now *you* are missing *my* point. I am not arguing about exceptions to any particular judgement, I am arguing about the perpetuation of stereotypes based on little more than ones feelings and gross generalizations.

      I’m arguing that no one has the right to *judge* any one else, until they actually know cold, hard facts about the individual in question. That premature judgement, the prejudice, is my issue.

      You made many other erroneous *absolute* statements that I did not specifically blockquote, simply because I was trying to keep the post length down. If that’s pussyfooting, then you should be thankful. 🙂

      As for the loopholes, they were incidental. I wasn’t trying to poke holes in your position, but rather dissect the fact from the many other invalid sweeping assumptions your arguments were laden with. And the easiest way to do that is usually to cite real world examples that contradict them.

      But I will say, I could find no fault with the way you worded your last two posts, I think primarily because you are now posting about your truth, your facts and what you know to be true, instead of inferring things about others based on generalizations. It makes a big difference.

      And I shall not belabor it any further. I have been running my mouth off waaay too much today as it is…

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    75. Survival of the fittest? Really? There’s no such thing. It’s more like survival of the fit-enough. Evolution is not about what happens once you’re no longer able to reproduce. There’s a reason so many people “fall apart” after 40. In terms of reproduction for women, it’s actually an advantage to have some extra weight, certainly compared to men. All that is required (for women) is to be fit-enough to conceive, carry, birth and raise the next generation. For men, the ability to hunt, protect women and raise the next generation is fit-enough. Anything past that is bonus. If it were truly about survival of the fittest, we’d all be 100% healthy for 100 years and only die because we got hit by a car. Evolution is all about short term answers to any given problem.

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    76. To add to that point, “fit” in evolutionary terms doesn’t mean the strongest: Rabbits are the “fittest” because they reproduce faster than anyone can eat them. Groundsquirrels are the “fittest” because they hide underground. Flies are the “fittest” because they eat decaying things and shit.

      “me big muscle” isn’t the only survival/reproduction strategy, and certainly not humans’ primary survival strategy. Ask any biologist: We are the “fittest” simply because we are highly adaptive.

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    77. @Phyreblade: I think we may have found middle ground. I appreciate the debate.

      But now everyone is fired up about “Survival of the fittest”. Off Hand comments and the Internet don’t mix. My post’s intention, was that (for humans), until just recently. It was far more important to be physically fit and healthy. We’ve created a million paths and reasons to avoid this now, and as a species, we should be ashamed. Just because we’ve created technologies to do most of our menial labor, and have little reason to BE fit, doesn’t me we shouldn’t. Its the ‘death’ of that ideal that I mourn.

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    78. The movie ‘Wall-E’ actually summed up the direction society is taking pretty well. With the slow progression of a horrendously FAT species in a fully automated world. Sure, why exercise, right? THAT scares me.

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    79. Setting aside the bullshit health crap that people like to use to add weight to their side of this argument (both sides do it)…aesthetically fat is gross. If a guy says he likes a little more meat on a woman its because he’s accepted that he can’t get an actually good looking girl and has then after done his best to convince himself that he dates fat pigs out of choice because he likes it.

      That’s it.

      And all three of those girls would be instantly fit if they had the choice and it was easy.

      That’s true.

      The fatties who put down their pie long enough to post in here in defense of their sloth are pathetic and your lies are about as useful as everything else about your fat asses.

      Survival of the fittest? Who cares. Survival of the ‘doing the most you can with yourself instead of just being a fat, stupid, lazy fuck’. You won’t be so fucking irritable either if you get out and exercise. And if you actually get into shape you’ll finally be able to be honest about this.

      Nobody likes being fat or seeing fat people.

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    80. @AUS BUTT
      Ok, hold on a second, let me find a place to set my fries…

      Ok…

      Fat vs grossness. Meh. Aesthetics is a cultural thing. There are lots of places, countries, cultures and people (even in the US) who consider slim ugly and unhealthy but consider chubby attractive.

      In this culture people tend to believe the opposite, but even so, you have to realize that attractiveness is not an absolute value. I can guarantee you that there are some overweight women out there who would choose to stay chubby even if it were easy to become slim.

      And more to the point, there are some overweight women who would love to become slim, but not because they feel the need to, but simply to avoid the negative reactions they get from others purely on the basis of their weight.

      Thing is, the things that you or I might place a lot of emphasis on are not so important to others. Some people could care less about weight.

      I knew a slim, good looking woman who said she didn’t really care so much about looks. Ironically, I generally only hear women say that, but half the time, based on the guys I see them with, I doubt the veracity of the statement. Me personally, I don’t think I could be with someone I didn’t find attractive.

      But the point is, it’s not always about whether ot not a guy/gal is able to land a good looking guy, or girl, but rather how important looks are to them. And even to those for whom looks are important, some genuinely find heavy women attractive. They aren’t just settling.

      And so far as “survival of the fittest”, that shouldn’t even be part of the weight argument, because genotypical and physiological “fitness” are completely different things.

      Being genetically/culturally “fit” is about survival, not health. It could mean having good eyesight, or hearing. Or being able to carry around extra body fat to help them survive in winter, or being very lean and muscular to make it easier to run, hunt prey or evade predators.

      That kind of phenotypical “fitness” is at best, only circumstantially related to “fitness” in the context in which we talk about it today.

      And there I go running my mouth again… I can’t help it, I find this sociocultural stuff interesting…

      Maybe I should go finish my cheezburger and fries nao…

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    81. I’m amazed at how shallow people are even today.

      If a person is fat, or someone doesn’t mind people are fat (or not even fat, just a bit above average) it instantly means they’re lazy fucks with low self esteem?

      Do you thinke everyone WANTS to look the same or that everyone has the same tastes? You think people are tied down to a set of rules if they have good self-esteem yet if you step out of one of them it means “you can’t do any better” instead of “you don’t WANT any better”?

      That’s real stupid. I guess by this definition it should mean a skinny jobless guy that likes skinny girls is a better person than a chubby one that works and likes any and all sizes because he just doesn’t give a crap and doesn’t order everyone to exercise.

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    82. ^^^

      um

      neither of those posts even make an ounce of sense.

      Sorry but that was some big time failing.

      Yes everyone aspires to the same level of overall aesthetic perfection.

      What about a really fit guy with a great job who could pick whoever he wanted? Who would he go with? A fat girl?

      Nope.

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    83. Except that you do see that happen, not infrequently. Everyone has some idea in their head as to what they want in a mate, and it’s not always about looks. I think it has more to do w/ the total package. It’s the mismatch of personality, looks and attitude that I find unattractive. I don’t personally find very heavy people sexually attractive, but neither am I repulsed by them.

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    84. @AUS BUTT
      I know you tend to ignore everything I say, but this is ridiculous, even for you. Let me reiterate.

      Yes. Good looking guys with a great jobs have chosen to go out with fat chicks. I know of *two* such guys personally, and have seen many others.

      *You* are the one who is failing. You are blatantly ignoring the facts you have been presented with, and the supporting evidence that surrounds you.

      What these guys I knew had in common, that you have failed to realize, is that being “fat” is not the single, all encompassing characteristic of a person you have made it out to be. Being overweight does not define who a person is.

      Some people like it, some don’t and others could care less either way. What makes no sense is when others make character predictions and judgment calls about a person based on any one single characteristic about them. People are much more complicated than that.

      Weight? Fitness? Aesthetics? No matter what the fitness, health and weight gurus tell you, these things are all subjective qualities. Everyone is different, you cannot expect everyone to conform to your own personal paradigm of preferences.

      Here’s some homework for you: The zero fat, muscle bound women body builder types you see on TV. Do you think they are sexually attractive? Do you think society at large finds them attractive? Why or why not? (Little tip: You may want to ask around before you answer… :P)

      Do you think they would be justified in telling everyone else they are all stupid fat lazy wastes of space who ought to aspire to their level of aesthetic excellence?

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    85. Can’t really see enough of Anna’s body. She could be 3-4 months pregnant. Face wise it’s Tillie for the win. Lack of info renders this useless.

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